Bawdiness in The Canterbury Tales

I knew absolutely nothing about The Canterbury Tales before it was on my great books list and before I read it in the last two weeks. David and I decided to add it to “Reading The Greats” discussion series, and I’m sure I’ll have smarter things to write about it after Sunday’s session with the first group.

What’s this about?

The basic premise is that a group of people — high-born and low — come together as pilgrims on the way to Canterbury and tell stories to pass the time. These stories invariably shine light on the participants, either directly or via satire.

Themes

I know next to nothing about medieval culture and so can’t comment intelligently on, say, corruption in the church (this was around the time of Martin Luther and the abuse of indulgences — I do know that much), but what stood out to me was the sheer bawdiness of the tales. My mental model of the Middle Ages did not include the sort of lowest-common-denominator-fart-joke humor that The Canterbury Tales trades in. To be clear, I’m not a Puritan, just surprised! I just mean that if you had told me a year ago that “cuckolding is a major theme in many of the stories that make up The Canterbury Tales,” I’m not convinced I would’ve believed you.

All that said, the Wife of Bath’s tale, which seems to be the one that most people know, spends most of its time trying to answer the question of “What do women want?” It’s dressed up in a chivalrous knight’s tale and the trope of the old crone, but it’s a good example of how, beneath it all, I think Chaucer’s trying to do a social commentary. This is an ongoing question, I think, in the great books — you think they say one thing when they’re actually saying another.

Modern Tales

Reading on background, I learned that the BBC created a “modernized version” back in 2003 that I’m eager to check out. One of the questions that prompts a lot of discussion in “Reading the Greats” is around modern-day equivalents: who is most like Socrates in the 21st century? How do the events of Antigone reflect on contemporary society? Trying to recast these tales in the modern era could be a fun exercise: where there were indulgences, there are now…

(One of the pilgrims should definitely be a TikTok star, too.)

Thanks for reading a stream of consciousness on The Canterbury Tales. As always, feel free to comment below.

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Sunday Links, 4/25/21

I’m delighted to say that I’ve found at least one other person who cultivates these sorts of literary-minded links. Notes in the Margin is an excellent blog that has a “Literary Links” section.

  1. “Bartsch’s spirited, readable translation is a […] a labor of love by a scholar-poet who has examined every nuance, matched each line of English translation to the Latin lines, and attended to problematic lines that continue to stump scholars.”
  2. Following on from the Washington Post’s op-ed in favor of keeping the Classics at Howard, here are some letters to the editor.
  3. Biblical justice versus social justice.
  4. New (to me): a column from Paris Review: “Feminize your canon.”
  5. On not rushing through books: “That’s when I realized this is what I was doing with my reading: rushing through books as fast as I could to get to the next one on my can’t-wait-to-read-it TBR, and also trying to break the previous year’s number of how many books I had read.”
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Friday Links, 4/23/21

  1. Dr. Shadi Bartsch has a predictably excellent conversation with Tyler. Her translation of The Aeneid is fantastic, but her commentary on Virgil, the era in which he was writing, and the choices he makes in the text are even better.
  2. Profile of Edward Said.
  3. “There’s a certain kind of humor and self-effacement that studying the classics cultivates,” said Professor Noe. “You take your discipline seriously. It’s a trust of information and tradition thousands of years old, but you don’t take yourself seriously because you say that ultimately, you’re not that important.”
  4. I will often mix up Angela Duckworth (who wrote Grit) and Tammy Duckworth (the U.S. politician), but here is Tammy Duckworth on By The Book.
  5. What Nick Hornby has been reading.
  6. Is Shakespeare still relevant today? “In his plays where the women cross dress and homoerotic relationships are hinted at, but the women ultimately reveal their identities as women, is Shakespeare endorsing same-sex love or not? In plays where kings are said to be the anointed ones of God, but are shown to be wicked, is Shakespeare endorsing monarchy or not?”
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Should we teach Shakespeare?

I spent a semester of college as Opinion Editor for the Washington Square News, NYU’s student paper, and it was easily the most enjoyable and formative few months of my college years. We did a lot of what we called point-counterpoint, where we’d run two op-eds on the same topic on the same page. The folks over at The Line have done just that on this blog’s favorite topic: the role and place of the Classics in the 21st century.

Here’s Allan Stratton on why we should “Cancel Shakespeare“:

Today’s students aren’t so much studying Shakespeare as learning to do linguistic and cultural archaeology. Or autopsies. Shakespeare is used for purposes of literary “dissection” and “analysis.” That means spotting metaphors and similes, like those kindergarten puzzle games where you find the bananas hiding in the picture. It’s like pulling the wings off flies to see how they work. Or studying a joke to understand why it’s funny.

And, this morning, I saw Sky Gilbert had argued why we shouldn’t:

This is why Shakespeare’s work must remain part of the literary canon; because his work forces students to think outside the box — to explore outrageous and unsettling ideas. Shakespeare’s work is profoundly amoral, his plays and poems refuse to provide us with an objective moral code. They do not tell us how to act, how to think, or how to live.

When I first read the piece in favor of cancellation, I made the point that some hard things are worth doing. That doesn’t help my argument that this specific thing (studying Shakespeare) is worthwhile, and I’d like to revisit that point. I’m not familiar enough to say with certainty whether Gilbert’s points on Shakespearean subversiveness is true, but I do remember reading Macbeth in school and being struck later by how many levels it was operating on.

My hypothesis is that it’s worth teaching if it’s taught well — if you don’t (as Stratton says) get bogged down in spotting metaphors and similes. In short, if you read for plot and character rather than style alone. But then again, I think most things are worth teaching if they’re taught well, and that something ought not to be taught if it can’t be taught well. That brings us to — well, how do you teach it well? I’ll noodle on it, but feel free to drop in the comments below.

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An update on Howard University’s Classics Department

They are indeed shutting it down — here’s a statement from Dr. Alexander Tulin to the Society for Classical Studies:

“Howard University has decided to close the Department of Classics as part of its prioritization efforts and is currently negotiating with the faculty of Classics and with other units in the College as to how they might best reposition and repurpose our programs and personnel. These discussions have been cordial, and the faculty remains hopeful that the department can be kept intact at some level, with its faculty and programs still in place.”

Cornel West and Jeremy Tate have a piece in The Washington Post today, in which words are not minced:

Academia’s continual campaign to disregard or neglect the classics is a sign of spiritual decay, moral decline and a deep intellectual narrowness running amok in American culture. Those who commit this terrible act treat Western civilization as either irrelevant and not worthy of prioritization or as harmful and worthy only of condemnation. […] The Western canon is, more than anything, a conversation among great thinkers over generations that grows richer the more we add our own voices and the excellence of voices from Africa, Asia, Latin America and everywhere else in the world.

Not sure what to say right now, beyond that my uninformed opinion is that we should probably have more Classics departments than fewer… Yr correspondent will keep an eye on things in the next few days. More as I have it!

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A Request + Sunday Links, 4/18/21

As well as being a place I can put some notes down on the Great Books, I want to use this blog as a sort of village pump for the conversations around Classics and the 21st century. I’m still experimenting with what that looks like, but a question for readers: what’s going on at Howard University’s classics department?

The usual places I’d expect to find info (Howard U’s student newspaper, Twitter) are failing me right now. I’m trying to get in touch with people who’d know, but the story seems to be that the Board of Trustees at Howard want to merge the Classics department with a school with religion and philosophy. I’m not smart enough to say whether this is the wrong or right move, I’m just trying to understand their thinking. Here is a petition to save the department, which is also light on details of what’s actually going on.

Please comment below or email me: has anything appeared in public from the Board of Trustees laying out their reasons? Has anyone written or spoken particularly strongly in favor or against the move? Thanks in advance!

On to links…

  1. Review of Metamorphoses. “Ovid was a writer not unlike ourselves in a phase of civilization not unlike our own. He lived in a republic-turned-empire rocked by culture wars over, among other topics, the meaning of sex and gender, the relative merits of the domestic and the exotic, and the necessity of social stability.”
  2. I’ve been very impressed with what Antigone has been publishing recently, here’s one on The Odyssey and whether Odysseus actually… wants to get home.
  3. Was Frankenstein the first Sci-Fi novel?
  4. Leon Kass, who we like ’round these parts, has a new book out on the Book of Ruth.
  5. America and the politics of religion.
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Tuesday Links, 4/13/21

  1. Howard University is considering getting rid of its Classics department.
  2. Tell Me Aristotle, Why Do We Have Butts?
  3. Relevant to this project: the blog Anne with a Book asks: are classic books inherently better than modern books? (To me, “inherently” is doing a lot of work in that question.)
  4. Two excellent “By the Book” features from the NY Times… Ai Weiwei and Bill Gates.
  5. “Here are 12 great books investigative journalists might want to pick up in 2021, including guides to mobile and data journalism…”
  6. Interview with Amber Taylor, who wants to teach classics to kids.
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What I’ve Been Reading

Having already borrowed the linked post, it made sense to borrow “What I’ve Been Reading” as well. So without further ado…

  • Jonathan Marks, Let’s Be Reasonable: A Conservative Case for Liberal Education. A line I use a lot at Lambda is that talent is equally distributed, but opportunity isn’t. Marks, who strikes me as a Charles Krauthammer type, makes the point that the capacity to reason well is equally distributed, it just needs to be cultivated. Marks isn’t a polemicist, and tips his hat to several points that someone who wanted to be incendiary would not. He goes through the arguments against treating students as consumers, and I share his concern for colleges downsizing or doing away with Classics departments because some students don’t want to study ancient Greek. He asks, rightly, on whose terms students come to college — the students’, or the college’s? One thing I’m unclear on from the book is how widespread the problems he describes are — are they a small-but-vocal minority, or is there a real danger to what is traditionally thought of as a liberal arts university?
  • Beowulf. I read this for our upcoming InterIntellect salon on Sunday, and I enjoyed it. I learned, for instance, that the difficulty one associates with Beowulf is almost entirely with the translation, and not the content. Rendered into English by our own Seamus Heaney, it’s a relatively straightforward tale, especially when you catch the Christian imagery. (It’s somewhat difficult not to, when Grendel is referred to as the son of Cain.) I expect to have more intelligent thoughts on it after the discussion on Sunday (and the following one in May with the second group), but in the meantime, I’m checking out the secondary materials that the good folks of Twitter were kind enough to recommend. See the replies to this tweet.
  • Elizabeth Samet, Soldier’s Heart: Reading Literature Through Peace and War at West Point. An interesting mix of memoir and non-fiction discussion of the value of reading classic works. Samet started teaching at West Point in 1997, and so saw first-hand what changed after 9/11. My dad, who read his own share of classic works when he was younger, had just told me the plot of Lord Jim, which came up as a book that officers continually come back to. (Can’t imagine why.)
  • Leon Kass, Leading a Worthy Life: Finding Meaning in Modern Times. Kass, happily, was recommended by my graduate advisor at St. John’s. I’ve already written about Kass’ take on classic education, and I actually didn’t read the whole book start-to-finish. While I’m still figuring out this whole being-an-adult thing, I feel less unmoored than I did in my early 20s. I do wish I’d discovered Kass and David Brooks earlier, though.
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Tuesday Links 3/30/21

  1. Thoughts on Fiction, Real Life, and Escapism.
  2. A tribute to many madmen. “Once upon a time, G. K. Chesterton wrote a story about a madman who was really the sanest man of all. Actually, now that I think about it, G. K. Chesterton wrote many stories about a madman who was really the sanest man of all; but the story I am thinking of was Manalive.”
  3. “When studying this all those years ago at secondary school, Animal Farm bored me to tears. So did everything, back then, though. Of Mice and Men and The Great Gatsby are books to be shunted in alongside the work of George Orwell as ‘pieces of literature I have yet to re-visit, away from the iron grip of hellish education institutions.'”
  4. The purpose of novels, via Anwar AlKandari.
  5. How museums are making classic literature more attractive to young readers.
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Leon Katz on the value of a liberal education

I’m a big fan of the idea of having personal boards of directors: people who care enough about what you’re up to that you keep up-to-date via email or the occasional lunch date. They can offer feedback, advice, intros, whatever — the most important thing is that you, the person with the board, gets used to reporting to them. It’s a form of managing up: taking advantage of what you can learn from people older, smarter, and/or more experienced than you.

My solo great books project has a couple of people on the “board of directors,” but none of them are aware of their role. Maybe a better way is to refer to them as the intellectual ancestors of the project.

Leon R. Katz is one such person. A professor and public intellectual with a long academic career (including at St. John’s College!), he’s a big fan of education by great books alone. I just read a piece that makes the case for liberal education. I wrote at the beginning of “Why Read Classic Books?” that I expected to come back to this question a lot. Here, then, is a summary of his argument. Readers interested in going deeper can check out Leading a Worthy Life: Finding Meaning in Modern Times.

To start, Kass delineates education from professional training. The medical and legal fields are the classic examples here, but Lambda School, my day job, stands out. We do vocational training — we don’t grant a degree and we don’t claim to provide an education in the traditional sense: we teach programming and data science and then help you get hired.

He also separates education from mere familiarity with the history of ideas. Knowing Plato, Shakespeare, or Darwin is necessary but not enough. If, as the cliche goes, liberal arts teaches you how to think, the history of thought should not be mistaken for thinking. This both explains the usefulness of the Great Books (I’ve said before that, taken together, they’re an unparalleled telling of human imagining and inventing) and showcases their limitations. They can be a catalyst, but they won’t think for you.

Finally, Kass says, education is not critical thinking. Sharpening one’s intellect is all well and good, but critical thinking is an instrument. Tools must be used.
So — if all of that is what liberal education is not, what exactly is it?

Kass defines a liberal education as what I call “applied thoughtfulness,” which is exactly the sort of pithy summation that lends itself to being misunderstood. Kass describes it as encountering a contradiction and seeking to understand it. “Thoughtful reflection about weighty human concerns,” he writes, is unlikely to always be clear and straightforward, but we ought to be always “in quest of what is simply true and good.”

He encourages us to be less concerned with removing the uncertainty quickly and more concerned with understanding and engaging with it. Trying to explain away the contradiction, or coming up with a perspective that explains away the contradiction is, Kass says, the easy way out. Sitting with that discomfort, that contradiction, is where you discover interesting things. Human affairs, for better or worse, usually involve judgements on what’s good and bad, or what’s good and better.

In a pleasantly action-oriented sense, that goes against the stereotype of the ivory tower academic, Kass describes a liberal education as that which encourages a habit of thoughtfulness. If people do logic puzzles to prepare for the LSAT, liberally educated folks find themselves in situations where they can be thoughtful. Kass doesn’t seem to think that a liberal education is something downloaded into students’ brains, but rather a muscle that can be strengthened or neglected. The choice, he might say, is ours.

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