Thursday Links, 3/25/21

I’m working my way through Heaney’s translation of Beowulf now, and I’ll post more thoughts shortly, but I wanted to do a quick roundup as I explore more of the Classic Books part of the internet…

[U]nder the direction of Professor Douglas Greenfield, senior associate director of the program, the goal is manifold: to bring life and context to the words on the page and to think intentionally and inclusively about whose stories get to be told, whose intellectual heritage gets to be studied.

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Wednesday Links, 3/17/21

Happy St. Patrick’s Day! As you might have seen on Twitter, I’ve been going deep on the Classic Books-internet rabbit hole. It goes to show that reports of blogging’s death have been greatly exaggerated: there are a ton of great blogs on books that, by all accounts, are doing it in the Hitz-ian sense of leisure — not for profit or career advancement, but just because they enjoy it.

With that, here are some recent links from the blogosphere, which is a word I’ve not used in around a decade.

  1. Tips for reading Pride and Prejudice. I started reading this over Winter Break a few years ago and didn’t finish it. It’s in the third year of the great books project, but I suspect I’ll try it again before then.
  2. There’s a new translation of Beowolf out. I started reading the Heaney translation the other night, and I’m excited to check this one out. I’m reminded of Emily Wilson’s new translation of The Odyssey and how important it is to update translations. Amy, on the new Beowolf: “It’s clearly the translation of a twenty-first-century woman who is interpreting this ancient tale in her own way. She hasn’t rewritten this poem but she has reimagined it for herself and for a new generation of readers.”
  3. An analysis of Antigone that includes a defense of Creon.
  4. Tyler Cowen has been reflecting on his early career, which has been fascinating to read. Tyler, on what he learned from his early successes: “Try things, and make people tell you no. Just keep on trying, in the most naive “Reader’s Digest” sense.  Most people simply won’t be doing that, so it can be a huge comparative advantage.”
  5. Some good old-fashioned naval-gazing: a list of non-fiction books about the reading life.
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Antigone, Redux

I’m co-hosting a discussion series on the great books over on the Interintellect, and we have two “sessions.” We do the same 15-book syllabus, but we have two groups staggered across a month: we discussed The Iliad with Group 1 in January, and then with Group 2 in February, and so on.

What this means, practically, is that my cohost and I discuss a book with one group, and then, after a month, with the other group. We’re a couple of books into the syllabus now, and I’m starting to observe a pattern: in the month between discussions, I find myself thinking about the book in the back of my mind, and making new connections.

I think this is what Harold Bloom et al. are talking about when they say that The Classics are enough books for a lifetime. A close reading of the 150-or-so books that make up the bulk of most of the “great books” lists would, in fact, take most of a lifetime. Mortimer Adler said that these books would “grow with you,” and this was what he meant: the books change between readings, and you change between readings, and the books say different things to different people at different times. Obviously, all books say different things, and nobody is the same person they were before, but I’d argue that a lot of books just don’t have all that much to say to us.

In any event, returning to Antigone for a second. On first reading, it’s obvious that the characters of Creon and Antigone are in conflict, but I don’t think I realized the extent to which they’re diametrically opposed, and that their loyalties (Creon to the state, Antigone to the gods) are precisely inverted. In between the first and second group discussions, I read Thomas Foster’s How to Read Literature Like a Professor. Foster maintains that we can only hold space for so many characters in our brains, and that secondary characters (I think he specifically cites Patroclus as an example) often exist mostly for plot purposes — to push the main character and the story along.

I don’t know if I buy that entirely (I’ve also written a little bit about why I’m skeptical of Foster’s book), but it makes sense in the context of Antigone. The play is, as I’ve said elsewhere, one of the strongest examples of civil disobedience that I’m aware of, but I wonder if both Creon and Antigone are one-dimensional characters. The counterargument here would be that Creon changes his mind, but a counterargument there would be that he has to, to fulfill the tragedy.

Putting a pin in that question (I’ll continue noodling on it, and may write more), we also had a lively discussion on what I’m terming the “Antigone problem” — when what’s perceived to be the right thing to do is at odds with the law. Examples cited include Les Mis and the Snowden episode!

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I talked to Agnes Callard on Clubhouse last night…

Thanks to everyone who turned out to listen in — it was a lot of fun and I was pleased with how it turned out. At one stage, we had north of 250 people listening in. Professor Callard is a great speaker, and shared a lot about teaching Plato’s Phaedo to 21st-century college students.

I thought the Clubhouse format was good, if athe little bit difficult to feel natural, just because I couldn’t see the audience. I wonder if it would be better with people you know better. On Zoom, you also have that split-second bit of feedback you see someone reach forward and unmute, which reduces the chances of people speaking over each other.

The other thing is obviously that Clubhouse is etherial in the sense that there are no notes, no copy saved, no playback. You say things and they’re gone. I think what they’re doing with the app is interesting precisely because most social networks have such long memories. “Unfettered conversations” has become a bit of a meme, but I do wonder if there’s a benefit to the default behavior of another social network to not be saving things forever. Snapchat obviously pioneered this, and there does seem to be an appetite for it.

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Friday Links 3/12/21

  1. Someone read 100 classic books and shared their tips, including why to engage in book polyamory.
  2. I’m always slightly skeptical when people share lists of books recommended by x person or on y podcast (because of the benefits of reading things that other people aren’t), but I still think they have value. Here’s a list of every book recommended on the Tim Ferriss show.
  3. I also make an exception for MostRecommendedBooks.com, which was started by a Lambda School grad.
  4. Classics for quarantine: Reading in Michel de Montaigne’s ‘Essays.’
  5. I don’t speak French, but here’s a discussion of the Classics in Le Figaro.
  6. Not specifically related to the Classics, but Bari Weiss’s latest dispatch is worth reading.
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Thursday Links 3/11/21

Our articles will dust down the Ancient Greeks and Romans and bring them into fresh conversation with modern-day readers of all ages. […] To be sure, not every idea from Classical antiquity deserves to be defended, and we enthusiastically invite critical analysis of those that may be wrong. On the whole, however, our writers do seek to uphold and promote ideals that held sway thousands of years ago: open enquiry, robust debate and the unfettered exploration of ideas.

  • New (to me) blog: “Inclusive pedagogy and diverse book reviews by a queer classicist of colour.”
  • Emily Wilson (for whose translation of The Iliad I am very excited) on the current conversation. “To sum up: it’s not about cancelling Homer. It’s about thinking hard about how and why we study ancient cultures, and taking seriously the intellectual and ethical problems in the modern field of “classics”. History is questions, not monuments.”
  • Wake Forest University has a class on “Classics Beyond Whiteness,” which (as far as I can tell) is required to graduate with a Classics degree. (Via Sententiae Antiquae, another blog that’s new to me!)

Studies misconceptions that ancient Greeks and Romans were white; race in Graeco-Roman societies; the role of Classics in modern racial politics; and non-white approaches to Classics. Considers race as social construct; white supremacy, fragility, and privilege; and critical-race-theoretical study of ancient cultures. 

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Tuesday Links

  1. “It’s been about 10 months since I graduated high school […] lately, I can’t stop thinking about the books I read in high school and whether they were worth reading at all.”
  2. Mortimer Adler on how to mark a book. You have to admire how prescriptive Adler was. (And what does that say about us that we enjoy being dictated to? See also, the book How to Read Literature Like a Professor, which may as well be titled “How to read literature properly.”)
  3. People continue to have strong opinions on that NYT Mag piece on Dan-el Padilla
  4. Zena Hitz’s (excellent) book, Lost in Thought, in the context of 21st-century American society.
  5. St. John’s doesn’t have a monopoly, I’ve learned: the Shimer School of Great Books. I’m sure there are others.
  6. “Instead, I want to let you all know that the “classics”—and by that, I mean the books some old white men once decided should be labeled as such—can actually be pretty fun to read.”

I source these links via Google Alerts, scrolling the internet, and from reader pointers. Please email me links!

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Some personal news, as they say: I was accepted to St. John’s!

I can’t remember exactly when I first heard of St. John’s, but I think it was when I read Robert Hagstrom’s Investing: The Last Liberal Art in early 2018. In the chapter on literature, he references both the Great Books Program at St. John’s and How to Read a Book

I came back to the St. John’s list when I started the solo great books project, and started to get to know the wider community around the books — tutors at the college, former students, other professors around the world, and a remarkable number of people who aren’t enrolled, but who care a lot about the books and about liberal arts more generally. (Ed. note — I’m interviewing Agnes Callard this weekend!)

Somewhere in these conversations, somebody asked me why I didn’t just enroll in the St. John’s graduate program, and I had no good answer. There doesn’t seem to be a huge difference between the undergrad and graduate experience, in that grad students also spend their time around a small table discussing the books. I’ve been cohosting the discussion series with David McDougall on Zoom, which has been rewarding. Wouldn’t it be good, I thought, to do more of that?

More than just having enjoyable conversations though, I’m curious to get to know more people who would willingly set out to read a few dozen classic books of their own volition. Undergrad education is one thing, in that it’s difficult to decide what you want out of life at the age of 18. I have no reason, though, to go to grad school. I don’t mean that in the sense that simply enjoying the books isn’t a good enough reason (it is!) — only that I have no (current) plans to go into academia and my work at Lambda doesn’t require me to get any more education.

All this to say — I was accepted to St. John’s College for a Masters in Liberal Arts this past week! I’m still figuring things out, but for right now, it’s part-time remote. If you graduated from the GI, I’d love to ask you a few questions: click here to shoot me an email.

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Why read classic books?

Or: in defense of the middle ground

This is my first attempt to “think out loud” about the question I get most often: why bother reading the Classics? This is still very much a work in progress: I think people don’t consider and adapt their own beliefs often enough (see also: mental liquidity). I consider my opinions here to be very much loosely held: I’m just trying to figure out my own answer here. I’m expecting to come back to this question so much, in fact, that I’ve created a “rationales” category on this blog.

There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.”

— Chesterton’s Fence

Should we read the classics? From my outsider’s perspective on the literature scene, this seems to be The Question. Arguments are lobbed over the top by one side or the other, and literary critics dutifully place themselves into the Camp A or Camp B. Camp A maintains the great works of literature — Homer, Plato, Montaigne, Shakespeare, Austen, and the like — are difficult, but rewarding and ultimately necessary. They are connected, somehow, to what it means to be human. Camp B maintains that you can give the whole lot a miss, and just read what tickles your fancy. I suspect that the truest answer to The Question, as it so often is, lies somewhere in the middle ground.

I suggest that there’s a path between these two camps, acknowledging the best arguments of both sides while cheerfully pitching your tent in Camp C. Read what you enjoy, and take pleasure in the act of reading in and of itself, not for any particular economic or political benefit.

I bumped up against this question when I started a solo “Great Books Project.” I decided to read the Classics in the middle of a global pandemic, while my social feeds were full of sourdough starters, at-home abs, and plant parenthood. My traditional education ended with a solidly vocational major: journalism at New York University, where I spent most of my waking hours at the offices of the student newspaper. I’d always wanted to supplement it with something more in line with a traditional liberal arts education. What better time than a global pandemic? And so I got to work: a syllabus from St. John’s, split into five years and covering 125 books. 

By the standards of Classics departments around the world, I’m doing this all wrong. I don’t know a lick of ancient Greek or Latin, and I have no access to Socratic-style seminars where I can discuss the great ideas that these books were said to contain. (I’ve since started to host my own on Zoom, but the fact that several dozen people signed up for a 15-month “great books” discussion project is a topic for another post.) I write no papers and receive no grades.

But by the standards of “well, do you enjoy doing this?” I’m giving myself top marks. Odysseus’ shenanigans in The Odyssey are as cinematic as any movie. Don Quixote is simultaneously comedy and tragedy — like the highest pieces of art, you aren’t entirely sure how you’re meant to feel after reading it. As a way of spending my time, reading the Classics is one that gives immense enjoyment, and that’s what the inhabitants of both Camp A and Camp B miss.

It’s easy now to say — that’s all very well, Tommy, you should read the Classics. This has, by and large, been the response when I tell people that I’m taking the next five years to read around 125 classic books: good luck, have fun, but better you than me. But, watching the debates on the future of the Classics, I feel compelled to try and steer the conversation closer to the middle of the road.

Camp A, in their rush to put certain books on lofty pedestals, reduce reading to something akin to eating your vegetables. The success of Harry Potter or the latest Stephen King are evidence, they maintain, of a society backsliding, satisfied with “inferior texts.” The inhabitants of Camp A take an austere, monastic pride in suffering through these old tomes. They’re bracing! They’re edifying! They are, but they’re also dull and difficult in places.

And what are we to make of the fact that the lofty ideals these books uphold aren’t nearly as progressive as we see ourselves today? Athenian democracy was less participatory than America’s today; Agnes Callard, an associate professor of philosophy at the University of Chicago, details the many shortcomings of Aristotle’s beliefs, including that he believed that women lacked the necessary faculty for serious decision-making; Homer’s epics show the heroes as barbaric and capricious — are we to emulate Achilles, or Odysseus in the 21st century?

There is a tremendous amount of value in being able to draw the lines between the ideas of antiquity and the conversations of today. The founding fathers and first few presidents were heavily influenced by classical antiquity — down to the fact, as Thomas Ricks has noted, that our nation’s leaders, the Senate, in the Capitol, in a reference to ancient Rome and the time of Caesar. We ought to understand that influence and, yes, draw a line through it at other times. We can —we have to!— read and appreciate things without giving them our full-throated, unconditional support.

Camp B, for their part, go too far with doing away with the idea of Classic literature entirely. Most of the “big conversations” we have today, debates about the nature of justice, politics, national character, and a good society, all have their beginnings in these books. Indeed, the Classics are some of the oldest stories and ideas that we have.

I think it’s important to read the Classics as a sort of hedge against Chesterton’s Fence, which I quoted at the beginning of this piece. I’m not sure what happens when we don’t read the great books, when Classics departments are perennially underfunded, understaffed, and under-attended. I suspect that the result isn’t pretty.

But if we become too set in our beliefs, if we think that we should read the Classics exclusively, or that we need not bother at all, then we lose something. These are the books that have much to teach us on philosophy, science, and living a good life. Reading them — difficult as they are, in both content and style — allows you to place yourself in the midst of these conversations.

Mordecai Kaplan, the founder of Reconstructionist Judaism, spent a lifetime attempting to balance ancient Jewish law with the demands and responsibilities of modern life. Jewish law, he thought, should get “a vote, but not a veto.” We should take a similar approach with the great books. Taken together, they are simultaneously a history of humanity and signposts we can use to guide the future. We shouldn’t feel bound to them, but neither should we feel free to abandon them.

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Thanks to Denis Collison, Gad Allon, Felipe Echandi, Maria Luisa Martinez, and Trevor McKendrick for reading drafts of this. Thanks also to Ari Lamm for the advice, and for interviewing me about some of these thoughts on Good Faith Effort.

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